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350!? Eeeek! Much as I love cruisers it's always the weight that puts me off ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Just seen a review of this:
https://youtu.be/XA4J2IgeaQA
7mins in and scraped the foot pegs a few times - on quite leisurely bends - it's a no from me. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Posted: 13:30 - 21 Sep 2020 Post subject: Re: BMW R18 - BMW do a ..... Harley? |
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arry wrote: | https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/bmw-r18-review-first-ride/
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/AemAN/s1/2021-bmw-r-18---venice.jpg
https://www.rideapart.com/articles/444740/first-ride-review-2021-bmw-r-18/
But it seems they'd done it without actually aiming at Harley. Which is odd, because they've made the engine deliberately short of oomph it would seem 89bhp?!
Handling sounds typically Harley - scraping pegs at even moderate speeds and shufting around 350kg with fuel in it; yup, got that one nailed.
Footpeg position, not very Harley like though - I guess the heads get in the way of proper boards.
£19,000 - so by the time you've thrown some options at it you're in for £20k plus. Yowsers.
What got me, is within the MCN review it says ride it like an oversized RNineT and you'll have loads of fun. Can't help but feel you'd just buy the RNineT instead?
Customising base special for weirdy beardies and man-bun equipped hipsters? Most likely.... |
Man-Buns need their very own section @bcf.
Stinkers/Ste any thoughts? (After the bcf app is launched of course.)
Murican market will snap these up.
If a bike brand can make something look like what the market want then they'll get some return on the investment.
BMW don't deal in longevity/reliability now, they want fast $/€/£.
As most profit driven entities do. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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They have managed to out-Harley Harley in a few key places:
1. The engine is bigger. Not in all case, and not by much, but Harley are pushing the 1750cc (107ci) on their cheaper big twins, with 1870cc (114ci) being an expensive option. BMW is 1800cc, and I expect they will do a big bore 2 litre soon enough.
2. Invisible softail. It's more invisible than the Harley frame. Seems an odd thing to aim for (for some people, it appeals to me), but they want to emulate a pre-war hardtail. Long and low, with a single frame line going from headstock to rear wheel.
3. They are going a very thick accessory catalogue, and encouraging aftermarket suppliers to make stuff for it. This is significant. Someone is going to want to spend £10k putting girder forks on it, and someone else is going to make them.
4. Conversely to 3, there will be an expectation that this will provide good performance out of the box and not require the "Harley tax". This is something equally loved and loathed by Harley owners, that you need to spend approx 10-20% of the purchase price of the bike on basic tuning (exhausts, air filter, ECU) to get the power back that emissions-compliant stuff removed. It's a uniquely Harley thing, so shouldn't be required here.
5. You can see the front of the engine, the oil cooler stays low down and out of the way. New Harleys have water cooled exhaust valves, which means having a rad between the front frame rails. It isn't popular. |
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Mate of mine was one of the first to get a test ride of a demo yesterday (I was meant to go with but ended up delayed and caught up later).
His thoughts....(taken from his FB message)
Kieran wrote: | Lots of small issues make it seem like less of a well built intuitive BMW we expect now. They add up.
That one had reverse, special headlight, heated grips....Still felt under equipped for 21000 pounds.
No fuel gauge or anything either, 21000!!
Most annoyingly, it's branded a cruiser, but the last thing I did was cruise.
It's more comfortable being thrown around like a bigger nine t than chill cruising, doesn't even have cruise control!
Feels like they didn't quite no where to land on what it should be.
My 14000 pound fat bob was just about the money, this, with ALL the options, is less equipped and honestly doesn't feel like a well built BMW, the dial flops around at 50 plus mph, the side stand gets pushed when shifting down and for some reason, a dedicated traction control button...ON A CRUISER Instead of a cruise control option...Who thought that was the right choice!?!? |
He also mentioned about having to 'slot' his foot between the cylinder head and foot peg (sounded a bit sketchy to me in the event of an off).
https://i.imgur.com/Rp9s7RI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZrkhSPR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QrAr3YT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jutUbAY.jpg
Just looking at pictures of it shocks me that its £21k. ____________________ Current: 02 FZS 1000 Some Bike Pics...
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https://www.thebikemarket.co.uk/media/3191751/mc199810_valk01_01001H.jpg?width=640&upscale=false
If its got to be a boxer and cruiser then I think this did it
Wish they'd done an 1100 version with the ST1100 motor, missed opportunity I thought for Honda (a super sabre or magna).
I've got a video file of the R18 running too, I'll see if I can get it up on Youtube, but didn't sound that impressive (like a slower quieter jet turbine). ____________________ Current: 02 FZS 1000 Some Bike Pics...
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Ok, so, assuming you put this thing in a parking space, but with 2 cars parked either side.
How much of a gargantuan task is it going to be, just to get the sodding thing pointed the right way, without a 78 point turn in the main thoroughfare ?
Or do cruiser owners not worry about that sort of thing ?, Is it too much of a toy to worry about the practical applications ?
I'll be honest, pivoting my bike around 180 degrees balanced on its side stand, can be an absolute lifesaver when your living with a bike daily .... |
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GSTEEL32 wrote: |
Ok, so, assuming you put this thing in a parking space, but with 2 cars parked either side.
How much of a gargantuan task is it going to be, just to get the sodding thing pointed the right way, without a 78 point turn in the main thoroughfare ?
Or do cruiser owners not worry about that sort of thing ?, Is it too much of a toy to worry about the practical applications ?
I'll be honest, pivoting my bike around 180 degrees balanced on its side stand, can be an absolute lifesaver when your living with a bike daily .... |
Awaaaay.....
Cruiser Twats Live for Parking Opportunities.
They adore being Centre of Attention with a crowd watching.
And if no one is paying attention to them then they have the Blip Device built onto the handlebar.
If HD could manage to make their two-stroke Diesels idle better than their machines would be easier for their fans to park.
They even have issues on level ground. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 3 years, 238 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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