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Posted: 21:39 - 30 Jun 2023 Post subject: Another ULEZ money grab? |
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The RAC posted this, I don't suppose it counts as news nowadays, more a given.....
A council in England has announced plans to introduce higher fees for parking, based on the level of emissions from the driver’s vehicle. London’s Lambeth Council is set to introduce these emissions-based charges, and several other councils across the country are considering the plans as well.
Details in the article attached.
I can't say I'm surprised but hopefully bikes won't be included or be ignored but not knowing London I don't know how motor bike friendly Lambeth is.
But, the real reason I posted this is half way down the article...
Of more the near 3,000 responses in the consultation, 59% objected to the plans. However, Lambeth introduced the changes despite opposition.
Again, I don't know if there are any rules about adhereing to the results of a consultation but it seems utterly pointless having them if a council can just ride roughshod over the results.
Anyway, how long before my lovely old Jag is totally worthless and can't be driven anywhere without getting a surcharge because it kills kittens (allegedly).
What's the ruling on old cars that are exempt MOT's etc? Are they exempt ULEZ? I quite fancy a 2 stroke Trabant to piss off Reichsfurher Khan and co.
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Posted: 22:16 - 30 Jun 2023 Post subject: |
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Surely they should be encouraging people to park the most polluting cars. It's driving them that causes the problem.
I'm pretty sure historic vehicles are exempt from the Edinburgh emissions zone charging. Couldn't say about anywhere else. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Posted: 05:08 - 01 Jul 2023 Post subject: |
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It's not the ULEZ rules that are more offensive, it's the fact that the carparking in within the zone. Which forces one to suffer the scum that are permitted to ride on public transport.
If public transport was policed more effectively, where one didn't feel like having to defend yourself against physical attack, it would work. I could manage that.
But last time I used the train into town (drinking session) there was a 'female' I think it was a ho, as drunk as a khunt, on the train into Glasgow from Edinburgh with a loud and potty mouth.
That needs to be addressed before we go green.
I can defend myself but it ain't going to look pretty on the CCTV. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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MCN wrote: |
.. there was a 'female' I think it was a ho, as drunk as a khunt, on the train into Glasgow from Edinburgh with a loud and potty mouth.
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MCN wrote: | If right thinking is applied. We keep the bangers we are running now. And ensure they pass the current MOT emissions rules.
And when they cannot pass the current test we scrap for new/er.. |
Old vehicles are tested with the maximum limits that were standard at the time, and therefore should (effectively) pass the emissions test every year unless something is seriously wrong.
I've never actually had a vehicle fail for emissions, and it's only in 2021 that I had my first fuel injected car (up until then I have had carburettored cars). ____________________ CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
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'92 was the introduction of Euro 1.
As a side note, I'm not saying that emissions on a car don't get worse, but legislation in regards to vehicles and testing of them generally are not retrospective.
Some manufactures changed to injection even on base models for '92 and added a CAT, others tried to get around by adding computers and CATs onto cars that were still carburettored. Generally, the latter are the ones which caused the biggest headaches. The full conversion throttle bodied cars tended to do better off ____________________ CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
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Posted: 16:28 - 04 Jul 2023 Post subject: |
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Robby wrote: | It will be interesting if anyone tries much enforcement for bikes. Our newest emissions standard is Euro 5, which is incredibly poor from a car perspective. There are also hardly any electric bikes out there worth buying. Even I don't have one, and I actively want one despite the obvious disadvantages. |
Given the number of bikes versus cars, vans, lorries, etc. their environmental impact is barely a rounding error for Europe anyway. Be curious as to their pollution contribution in Far Eastern cities. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Robby wrote: | The impact is a rounding error, if you're looking at it in a logical way. If you're looking at it in absolutes, bikes are getting a loophole. |
Dealing in absolutes, that never turns out badly It's almost like we have group amnesia about the whole 20th Century
But yes, we're now riding the coattails of the Deliveroo crowd. With regards to parking, emissions, congestion charge, ULEZ, etc. what is the difference between a 125 scooter and Triumph Rocket 3? Slightly higher road tax and slightly more spent on fuel duty. (With regards to the environment so disregarding the initial cost and insurance.)
Is that fair? Nope but if the government wants to go down the route of inflicting "fairness" on us then the whole road tax, MoT and DVSA system will need to be torn up and redone and they're far to lazy for that. The only thing that would make a difference is money and there are not enough bikers to make it worth conjuring up as many punitive taxes as car drivers endure. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Posted: 23:36 - 04 Jul 2023 Post subject: |
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Slightly changing the conversation as it has got onto ULEZ rather than Lambeth ulez parking.
Where my youngest daughter works, right by Richmond park, is going to get caught up in the expanded ulez this August. While I understand the arguements for and against (I still think it's a money grab) she tells me the public transport around there is pants. No tube and the bus service is poor. It seems to me a decent public transport service is a pre requisit for a ulez zone.
North of the river, ok, tube, lots of busses but south seems pretty sh1t.
Edited to add this article that popped up on my feed....
ULEZ: London mayor lacks powers to expand zone, High Court told
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66094244?fbclid=IwAR10HhdE4263ZYPvfnVWZgWkUcHXWdE3xDBfH5AlTYx65R7qdlnA-KltGUs ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Polarbear wrote: | North of the river, ok, tube, lots of busses but south seems pretty sh1t. |
Pretty much. South and SE have the Croydon tram system, east is the DLR but there's a sharp drop-off in services for SW London once you get past the Merton area and it's been like that forever.
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