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each care worker and doctor that we employ as an immigrant to work in the nhs no doubt does some good.
if we are to look at the "greater good", then that same doctor would most likely be desperately needed in their own country. Even more so. Enforcing a brain-drain on e.g. India, Albania etc may help our problems but it certainly hinders the home country from digging themselves out of the pit of despair they may well be in, or find themselves in.
A recent article on BBC website which I cant find due to so many Albania related articles highlighted UK sending aid to a smallish village to help rebuild some parts and make it enticing, due to there being almost no youngsters left in that village. Hence, services are dying, THEY cant find staff for THEIR coffee shops etc. We're tempting away all their talent, their next generation.
This cost of immigration/emigration seldom seems to come up...all well and fine we have a new scientist/plastic surgeon, but that does mean another place DOESNT.
(I'll also add its much much cheaper from UK government point of view to import a working 20yo, be they a doctor, chemist or street sweeper, than what it is to birth one and raise him/her to that age) so I can see what sometimes comes across from the government as a veiled motivation to ensure the status quo.
Back to the original argument, the altar of house price inflation has too many worshippers..how do you fix this? dunno...but adding to the population surely makes many happy due to increased prices of everything.
But that bloke that came to your house party on friday that you didnt know from adam coz of the free punch bowl and tinnies, has no interest in keeping your house in a good shape. And he will go to the next free party when the time comes, leaving you to hoover up. ____________________ Gone: Yamaha DT50lc, Suzuki DR500, Suzuki A100, Kawasaki z250ltd, RD350YPVS, Suzuki DR Big, Kawasaki AR125, Kawasaki KMX200, Suzuki GS1000S, Katana 1100, GS550M, Suzuki RGV250
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that_impulse_guy wrote: | I'll also add its much much cheaper from UK government point of view to import a working 20yo... |
I've not seen any proof of that. We're told it endlessly but that's not the same thing. And 20 years of what? Not State education for starters - 20 years of somebody else's indoctrination system.
An English person conversing with a Scottish person have a whole swathe of unspoken understandings of the world they inhabit. For example: business contracts.
"You will supply 500 widgets by the 12th at £2.59 per widget." Most likely a big box of widgets will get shipped from England on time and at the agreed price. The contract was signed, done deal.
Try the same thing with Indian widgets and either you won't get complete fulfilment on the due date or a phone call a week before explaining all the reasons why the previously agreed price was unrealistic - shortage of labour, sudden increase in the cost of materials, etc.
Now this isn't just a dig at Indians it's the reality that culturally their approach to contracts is to do or say whatever is needed to get the contract and worry about the details later. It all works perfectly fine within India as everyone knows how the system works. (BTW I've seen this first hand with some of my international software development contracts.)
How could things be more cost effective and efficient when cultural differences slow things up?
We were set up for the whole "Multiculturalism is our strength!" lie by being in the EU. Loads of Europeans that, regardless of speaking a different language, had similar cultures to ours. Little needed to be explained and TBH London full of Frogs, Eyeties and Krauts was never a problem. If it was clearly laid out that the UK would lose all the easy to understand people (which was obvious) and have them replaced by cultures totally alien (and we'll also need 10x as many to make up for the loss in understanding) the vote on Brexit would have been completely different. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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I agree with you. Theres a massive hidden cost which I kinda tried to allude to. But its not me nor you looking at these numbers, its some bloke on the end of a line that says its cheaper for another country to create a ready made doctor, to fill a doctor spot we need filling, than to grow one ourselves. And probably the initial upfront cost is much better looking from our point. The extra cost over the next nnn years isnt factored, so isnt shown. Its the cost we have of trying to explain to someone why we cant make a dentist appointment and getting nowhere...or vice versa. Or someone phoning to find out where their parcel is, and it being a 15minute conversation about what is a tracking number, instead of a 1minute conversation.
Add this all up, and we're all miserable. ____________________ Gone: Yamaha DT50lc, Suzuki DR500, Suzuki A100, Kawasaki z250ltd, RD350YPVS, Suzuki DR Big, Kawasaki AR125, Kawasaki KMX200, Suzuki GS1000S, Katana 1100, GS550M, Suzuki RGV250
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Politicians are mostly simple creatures. If they believe it more expedient to steal skilled workers than to train the indigenous population it's because they've been advised that's the way to do it by their civil servants that have all the costings and statistics.
Tempting skilled workers with (relatively) better pay and/or conditions is one thing (it wouldn't take much convincing for me to believe such people are an economic benefit to our country, to the detriment of their native country of course) but it's the hordes of unskilled labour: 15% of the UK population that are not just dead-weight but foreign born dead-weight.
"You, sir, are an -ist and a -phobe!" and supposedly it's our duty to take in all the world's sad cases and put them up in hotels and make sure they're first in the queue for council houses. We have a moral duty apparently.
But I will ask again: why should I care more about a Somalian "refugee" over my own family? It smells like "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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I find it quite amazing, almost humorous, that the people who are most vociferous about supporting mass immigration are the same ones about moaning how much houses cost to buy or rent and when you say that half a million people coming into the UK each year, needing places to live is forcing up price they get on their soap box and scream racist. |
Maybe because the facts show immigration has no effect on house prices and renting? Hating immigrants is a very common racist trope...Not all people that hate immigrants are racists for sure all racist hate immigrants.
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In a 2014 Economic Journal article, Immigration and house prices in the UK, Sá wrote that an increase of immigrants equal to 1% of the initial local population leads to a 1.7% reduction in house prices, based on immigration data from the Labour Force Survey.
There has been one area where immigration has been crucial in attempting to solve the housing crisis: building. The Chartered Institute of Building points out that any caps on immigration will harm housebuilding rates, as not enough British-born nationals are either trained or interested in construction careers, and migrants have been filling the gap. |
No posh racist like Farage will leave anywhere near immigrants or Romanians innit?
Anyhow under new James Cleverly immigration rules his own mother would have been kicked out of the UK
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-new-rules-hosting-migrants-seeks-cut-numbers-2023-12-20/
"EU agrees new rules on hosting migrants, seeks to cut numbers"
One point mentioned in this article
"Migrant arrivals in the European Union are way down from the 2015 peak of more than 1 million, but have steadily crept up from a 2020 low to 255,000 in the year to November, with more than half crossing the Mediterranean from Africa, mainly to Italy."
Brexit was sort of sold on the theory that autonomy will reduce the problems caused by uncontrolled transit of immigrants from the eu to the uk.
We brexited the EU 2016 just when the EU had a bit of a handle on it.
Nothing really changed. Our politicians are inept at dealing with it so what was then point of spending £billions on Brexit?
I curse Brexit every time I'm stood standing in a queue for passport control with ragheids, africans, chinkies, americans and latinos, when previously I wafted through the electronic gates in seconds. For people like me, it's not just once a year on holidays either.
Fukubrexit, ya Cockend. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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I curse Brexit every time I'm stood standing in a queue for passport control with ragheids, africans, chinkies, americans and latinos, when previously I wafted through the electronic gates in seconds. For people like me, it's not just once a year on holidays either.
Fukubrexit, ya Cockend. |
I curse the EU and British government instead, it's not a Brexit problem. The only reason they don't still use the electronic gates is because of the EUs insistance on a physical date stamp being in your passport. This is either due to a refusal from the EU to accept or introduce a digital system to record length of stay which is sour grapes or a lack of organisation on behalf of the UK government to create one which is incompetance.
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